Cheap shot dude.
I'd have a go at you for that but I've got to go to the dentist...
at every meeting and every assembly i went to, a sister would always ask me "how are you?
how is your family?
" she says it with a gloomy face every time!
Cheap shot dude.
I'd have a go at you for that but I've got to go to the dentist...
A lot, if not most DSLR's allow for 30 second exposures in manual mode, but if you wanna go longer you'll need to use 'bulb' mode, and buy a wired or remote release. They're cheap as chips on ebay, invariably from china, but they do the job perfectly.. I've done twenty minute exposures of star trails before, looks Niiiice!
having just found this gem with leolaia's superb post with 18 reasons the flood of noah's day is a myth..... http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/222593/1/did-the-global-flood-of-the-bible-really-happen-please-give-evidence.
... i wondered what topics going back through the archives should be must reads for anyone coming to jwn?
what topics/posts should be made sticky (if that ever where to be a possibility)?.
Marking.
This'll keep me up late tonight methinks...
after learning ttatt, i have completely abandoned christian fundamentalism.
thus, dropping many superstitions, prejudices, and biases associated with legalistic interpretations of the bible.
although i am agnostic, i still adhere to many christian principles, not because i think they are divine truths, but because i've benefited from the wisdom.. since i no longer believe in the inspiration of the bible, i repeatedly find myself falling into questions of conscience, ones which i've never faced before... .
Yep. What they ^^^^ said!
I think I'd be the same, cos I've always had a strong sense of myself, my own opinions, a terrible despicable 'independent attitude' , except I'd be able to vocalise these opinions without fear of reprisals..
I don't think I'm going thru an identity crisis, my crisis is not being sure of the universe anymore. I was before, I'm not now!
If I class it as a midlife crisis do I get a motorbike?
Excellent post emery, very thought provoking..
yo homies.. .
ltr ftp (long time, first time etc.).
i don't really know where to start, but i guess you've all been here before so you'll know where i'm coming from.
Thanks for that emery, you've given me a lot to think about, but hang on, ive suddenly got a load of homework to do !
I tell you, I didn't study as much when I was an elder!
Best start reading about 1919... Come on brain, keep up. What's that you say, you work better with a tiny snifter of whiskey? Oh go on then..
yo homies.. .
ltr ftp (long time, first time etc.).
i don't really know where to start, but i guess you've all been here before so you'll know where i'm coming from.
Just remember: by their fruits you shall know them.
But the witness half of my brain shouts about the love I've received, the genuine people in the cong, some REALLY good friends, (I know you're going to shout conditional but all friendships are SOMEWHAT conditional aren't they? If your best mate slags your wife off you're not going to be best mates very long, that's a condition.) Admittedly, shunning over different beliefs doesn't seem christian to me. But I've been all over the world and experienced such LOVE from the brothers, despite them not knowing me from Adam.. And does that scripture apply to individuals or did it imply an organisation, a church? I have so many questions, I'll save that one for a future time I think...Such is the argumentation going on in there.
And Mickey mouse - Interesting video that, I like the comparisons.. I wish I could have time to reply to everyone here, but I'd have to have a brain to use first, mine's been turned to mush, pushing and pulling, to-ing and fro-ing.
And Giordanno - big boy pants are scary. It's comfy in this old warm poofilled nappy. Sorry you couldn't sleep buddy, hope you got there in the end! Oh and I've already been trying to volunteer recently, they obviously don't need me as I've left four messages in four different departments to no avail.
yo homies.. .
ltr ftp (long time, first time etc.).
i don't really know where to start, but i guess you've all been here before so you'll know where i'm coming from.
Hi again all, and thanks for the welcomes!
Jgnat - No, that's not me, not YET anyway, the beard isn't QUITE that long! And thanks for your viewpoints, I like your pithy world view, tbh it's stuff that I've long believed in anyway but kinda skewed by the WT spin/rules/life.
Regarding the ssSllooooooOw fade, I think I'm up for it, I'm pretty stubborn (so I'm told!). The only thing is I'm ITCHING to voice a doubt, just one, at someone, (I have a couple of brothers in mind that I feel wouldn't be quite so judgemental), just so they know where I stand and won't even consider trying to ask me to be appointed again.. Could take a load of pressure off. Could also result in being DF'd I spose too.. Hm. poop.
I'll tell y'all what really grinds my teeth, the fact that I daren't even speak about my feelings with my better half. yes, I KNOW it's a long slow insidious process, but it's kinda ridiculous that it has to be that way. ABSOLUTELY ridiculous. (what's the WT quote, you shouldn't be made to choose between your relligion and your family.. yeh right.) We should be able to talk about ANYTHING, and maybe we could, but it's just such a gamble. Russian Roulette anyone?
Anyways, I just wanted to say thanks for all the research you guys put in here, it's a fascinating read fo sho, I'll eventually get some questions posted once I've finished doing this stupid talk for tomorrow.. Proof for the resurrection. Working on introductions. Great. Move aside, Gigantic Wallking Hypocrite coming through.........
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from my place of forgetting, and out of my utter despair and loneliness, i tap out my pathetic message desperately hoping that there is someone, anyone that might possibly hear ... .
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Oubliette. A crackin' song by a crackin' band. (Cable). Actually, don't bother looking it up. I know few people that a recommendation of music has ever gone down well with!
You're not alone matey, but it's certainly an odd place to find oneself in ain't it?
Batten the hatches down, it's gonna be an interesting ride!
i am 32, old enough to remember being told to refute the big bang as untrue by my parents and the religion they brought me up in.. it was a big decision for me even as a teen, i knew i was choosing a side, i remember my physics teacher laughing and mocking me and the other jw for denying the big bang.
our parents arranged that in our exams we were allowed to answer questions on the big bang in a unique manner:.
"scientists claim......... but as a jw i do not subscribe to this belief.".
well.
This is new to me, I always thought the big bang was accepted as fact even among JW's, I've mentioned it a few times to various folk and had no real comments about it.
My own personal thinking (increasingly untrustworthy I find) was always that the big bang HAPPENED, the universe had a BEGINNING, (science agreeing with the bibles description that there was nothing, then there was something), but obviously Jehovah started it off, far from being the spontaneous random event as portrayed by scientists..
That was always my thinking anyway, and I've not been corrected/chastised by anyone yet, but I suppose one reason why JW's may recoil at the mention of the BB might be 'cos of the unmistakable link to the words accident/spontaneous/evolution etc.
I never read the Awake quoted above. But then I've read very little of the literature for a long time.
yo homies.. .
ltr ftp (long time, first time etc.).
i don't really know where to start, but i guess you've all been here before so you'll know where i'm coming from.
yo homies.
LTR FTP (long time, first time etc.)
I don't really know where to start, but I guess you've all been here before so you'll know where I'm coming from.
Ex-elder, took myself off a few years ago, lots of doubts, not much brain.
Been reading on here for couple of years VERY intermittently, usually when a google search on a scripture showed up a result in these forums. But for the last few months avidly.
Doubts? Man made rules that are at best very tenuously scriptural. Rev book regarding trumpet blasts, repeated changing of doctrine, disfellowshipping NEVER seemed like something Jesus would do. etc.
Finally posting kinda feels like a big step. NOt sure how I feel about that.
Not even sure what I'm doing here. Limbo describes where I feel I am. (not the dance). Just home from the memorial, an EXCELLENT talk, loads of good illustrations from a very sincere speaker who really emphasised the love of the christ. I've felt for the past couple of months as if I'm mentally out and planning a very slow fade, but tonight I feel like I've slipped back into the ruts of a well worn bike path. It's just easier. I know I could be appointed again in a second, loads of folk want me to, but I'm resisting. I can't actively teach stuff I no longer feel strongly about. All the man made rules. Couldn't possibly counsel someone about a beard when I have one myself! (NEVER could understand that one, from being a young child).
TBH, I listen to a lot of science podcasts, I even drift towards atheism sometimes. I know a lot of you folk would rejoice at that, but i JUST DON'T KNOW ANYTHING anymore.
And I hate it. I hate my own stupid brain for 1. letting myself be conned into believing a load of hogwash and dedicating my life to a cult, and 2. letting evil twisted apostates lead me away from Jehovah's one true (albeit flawed) organisation. Such is the flip-floppery in my head.
I pray still. I don't think I've ever studied the bible more. I've studied plenty in the past, but not necessarily the BIBLE, but the WT spin on the bible. And 'cos I've typed that I'm sure there'll be a special hell created just for me. Facepalm.
Threads that have helped me have been recent ones on WT dishonesty, disfellowshipping articles, (jwfacts obv), and 10 scriptures the WT hate. I wish I had the patience/understanding to wade through Leolaia's posts, maybe in time.
This is all I know. Born and raised. Wifey still in. Both still in as far as anyone knows. (Applicable song lyric "I 've got, this epic problem. T his epic problem's not a problem for me. And inside, I know I'm broken. But i'm working as far as you can see. And outside, it's all production, it's all illusion, set scenery. I've got this epic problem, this epic problem's not a problem for me.) Except it's starting to be.
Future? Stay in, but out. Charade, facade. Keep everyone happy? Wait till parents die, try to convert wifey? DA DF CO DO? Drink less JD? Goodness knows.
Sucky.